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It still allow in the UK to wear anything - no illegal, maybe depend on country, I was wear tights and denim mini skirt that seem to be allow in public Ive wearing many time as cops passing me without stop or ask anything
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Mainstreaming Men's Hosiery - V

posted Wednesday, 20 July 2005

Geradenby Geraden

 

Unless and until the declining trend of hosiery wearing by women is reversed, the hosiery industry will continue to be precarious. Mainstream hosiery companies fear that if they start marketing to men, much of their sales to women will be wiped out.

Those who make their money from hosiery still need the women buyers and wearers and will do NOTHING to alienate them. Women have been brainwashed with enough reasons not to wear tights: they are uncomfortable, unhealthy, unnecessary, unfashionable, expensive. The suggestion that they are worn largely by a bunch of (obviously pervy) men will simply be the last straw.

I put forward this point of view recently on the LAUF Forum, and I was very gratified to find that it had been endorsed by a major manufacturer of men's legwear.

Returning to the companies in the women's hosiery sector, even the online websites which are most relaxed about their male customers do little actively to promote male wearing: – the odd help page for men, and some advice on brands and sizes for the taller person are about the limit. And for businesses some of whom that reportedly get up to 80% or even 90% of their trade from men, they are remarkably coy about showing images of men wearing hosiery.

I owe much of the following line of thought to a friend of mine, who opened my eyes to the hidden forces that are at work in the hosiery industry. However the views here are my own.

The manufacturers and suppliers need to play down the fetish aspect of hosiery, and as a result they put pressure on retailers to keep their acts clean. This is not a matter of morality, but of business acumen. It may also sound like a conspiracy theory, but there is some evidence that points in that direction. I would however get into all sorts of trouble if I were to share it, so I must remain silent.

So then, we cannot expect any help from the mainstream companies, whether they are bricks and mortar or e-commerce. This is why it is unlikely (as was reported in a couple of Forums earlier this year) that Sainsbury's will start selling men's tights, however many e-mails they get in support of the idea.

There is another aspect of marketing to men: what it comes down to is: clean or not? The sites that I have mentioned – activskin, legwear4men are, without a shadow of a doubt, clean sites. They categorically distance themselves from pornography, fetish and the like. They do very well with a relatively small customer base.

There is of course a different kind of site that sells hosiery (and usually other things as well) to men. I am not going to name any of them – I am not interested in them enough to bookmark their names when I have stumbled across them. Their wares are usually of an inferior quality to those of the clean sites. I guess that their customer base may be larger, but – and here is the point – I believe that it is more saturated. The potential growth area is the clean area. But just as male hosiery advertising will damage the female customer base, so publicity for the fetish end of the market will damage the potential 'clean' customer base.

As I have said before, not all male hosiery wearers are friends of those who wish to mainstream male hosiery wearing.

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1. Csanad left...
Sunday, 24 July 2005 10:57 pm

Geraden,

you got the point - no one is showing men wearing pantyhose on their website. I mean fashion photos, not porno ones. Why is that? Is it a taboo? How will we make fashion designers and other industry players do think that MPH (male pantyhose) is OK if we don't show that the look can be fashionable, consolidated, even sexy?

With a friend of mine we have imported and sold a few hundred pairs of Evona MPH last year, and now I am thinking of an online MPH shop (just like tights4men.co.uk), for the CE region. My second thought was that I shall call the stylist girl I used for a tv ad (where the dancer girl was wearing ph of course) a few years ago and ask her to design a collection for men, hire professional models and use the photos for the online shop.

Do you think it would be dull to use - and maybe distribute throu e-mancipate.org - such high-quality, non-fetish fashion photos for the web store?


2. Geraden left...
Monday, 25 July 2005 1:19 pm

Hi Csanad

Thank you for stopping by and commenting.

For the reasons I have said, it is only the specialist companies who make or market tights to men that would even consider using male models. I don't count images on packages because they are not fashion shots – they are informative toe-to waist shots to show what the tights are like. So the burden of publicity would fall on the specialist male companies who are small in comparison with the hosiery corporations. Publicity is costly, which is why not much of it is being done.

I wish your business venture well, particularly if you can do for male hosiery in Central Europe what Bozeman is doing in the UK. I am not sure what you mean by 'dull'. I would normally take the word in this context to mean 'boring or uninteresting'. Though you write very well in English, I know it is not your first language. I therefore I wonder if possibly you mean 'dull' as in 'stupid'.

I would like to see e-mancipate.org develop once more and I do not think it would be any of those things if you did it in the right way. The use of attractive but non-fetish pictures, showing tights as a male fashion item, could make sense.

However … I know legwear for men is a cause to be championed, but if it is also your source of income, you would have to consider publicity costs from the point of view of return on investment.

Good luck, though!

Geraden


3. Csanad left...
Monday, 25 July 2005 10:14 pm

Hi Geraden, thanks for your answer and for the smooth correction.

Hopefully you don't mind if I answer here and not in a private email (if you do, or feel my comment off-topic just move it to where you think it fits please).

Regards to e-mancipate: after two years with it, and with other experiences (I started my first webpage back in 1998), I am just realising that it's quite impossible to count on MPH fans just 'as they are'. The only thing I could reach was a translation in about 8 languages for e-mancipate, but nothing more. I tried for many months (I found out different programs for our activists). The same is for 'acting together' things: I organised a few gatherings where I live and tried to make the people to import the Evona pantyhose together, but at the moment we tried to take a step further than just talking, it was again just a group of people who didn't know each other and had nothing common except MPH. And that was not enough for trust. (On the other hand I did not want to run a 'therapy group' since we have LAUF and other web-based forums.)

So I thought that the next e-mancipate site would be for the press & industry professionals (producers, designers) with pre-written articles and fine photographs, all free to use. Cold professionalism, nothing like a movement, and that might work a bit better. A kind of 'guerilla marketing'. I was even thinking of pre-formatted websites for individuals who want to help - they would be able to use the html, and make customised webpages just to improve the number of MPH sites on the web.

So yes, to be short, I meant "dull" quite like stupid, regarding the fashion photos in my question. I know that we should be very careful (how do we show a men in pantyhose?) but I am always thinking of the poor guy in the newsroom hwo has to find an interesting topic for the magazin/daily newpaper he works. And then, browsing the net, he/she finds full articles and press-ready photograps, not copyrighted for his newspaper. So he takes one and publishes it. We can't guarantee that he will be absolutely positive (or positive at all) but this is a cheap way to reach the press in several countries. And if he/she is satisfied, will come back to e-mancipate and might find a 'winter collection' a few months later, and can write about it again. Good for MPH. Don't know, this is just theory.

But the fact is that I haven't seen quality fashion photos of MPH during the last 7-8 years since it's on the web (and neither before, of course). So if I would do this shop (obviously not alone, and not as an only source of income) then we could shoot some high-quality pics to sell our MPH, and then pass them to e-mancipate. If we have to invest 10 units into the shop altogether, photographs might cost one unit (while I count another two units for the webshop, and the rest seven are for the stock).

The idea behind is that I would like to show that it is possible to wear PH as a men in a fashionable, elegant way - and therefore in a way trigger the imagination of the public (and of course, the imagination of those important members of the public who make the important decisions). We never know what comes from what (or at least not in advance).

What do you think?


4. Geraden left...
Wednesday, 27 July 2005 10:14 am

Hi Csanad

I am interested to hear your plans, and I think it is good that you have made them available to others by posting them here. Your idea, if I have got it right, is not for a campaign like last time, but a resource centre that the media could tap into. It is a worth-while project, if again, quite an ambitious one.

The weakness of course, as you have clearly recognised, is that there is a limit to what you can do on your own. But once you start bringing in other people there is the question of trust. This takes a long time to establish, and as I have found in other contexts, it can be fairly fragile. Where finance is involved it is especially difficult.

Men in general will be afraid to wear, even if they would like to, unless either

* wearing of MPH becomes mainstream, or
* they are encouraged and supported by their womenfolk to wear.

Womenfolk in general have gone off hosiery in a big way. (There may have been a slight correction to the trend recently, but it is too soon to tell if the tide has turned.) Women's dislike of PH leads them to think that anyone who actually likes wearing them must be sick in some way. And indeed a lot of men like PH for reasons that women do not understand or approve of.

So the main obstacles to overcome are, as always, the fetish associations that hosiery has. The one crumb of comfort is that fetish is more strongly associated in the public mind with stockings than with tights/pantyhose.

I don't know whether you are familiar with the MSN group 'Men of LAUF'. There are plenty of pictures there of ordinary guys wearing hose for non-fetish reasons. They are not really the quality pictures you are talking, but the idea behind the site seems to have a bit in common with what you are proposing. Yes, you want quality, attractive pictures, but they must also be pictures that make men say, "I could look like that!" and more importantly, make women say, "That looks cool; I must see if my man's legs would look that good in tights or PH".

Another thought: while you are concentrating on the fashion aspects of MPH, I would not neglect the medical benefits of wearing, which really fall into two categories:

* for the younger energetic man, wearing for athletic activity keeps legs at a constant warm temperature can reduce the risk of stress injuries and improve performance.

* for the older man or the man who is on his feet a lot of the time, tights/PH can give support to the legs and prevent the onset of cramps and circulatory problems, as well as providing a layer of warmth for outdoor activities.

Both the fashion angle and the medical benefit angle can be used to capture the attention of the media and thereby promote awareness of legwear for men.

I wish you well, and look forwards to developments.

Finally, if you would like to contribute an article as a guest on this blog at any time, please let me know, and you will be very welcome.

Geraden