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Mainstreaming Men's Hosiery - I

posted Friday, 22 April 2005

Geradenby Geraden

 

Over on the Delphi Forum, Legwear as Unisex Fashion, there was a long and fascinating debate a month or so back, on the subject If You Want To Mainstream Men's Hosiery. It has since been pulled by the forum moderators. They did not explain the reasons for this action, but I believe that it was because of the offensive nature of some of the posts.

Having read most of that topic before it was deleted, this is the first of my thoughts on the subject.

If I can simplify and put it in a nutshell, this is all about personal choices for a male hosiery wearer either to buy, or not to buy, hosiery marketed for women.  What the LAUF debate amounted to is a conflict between two points of view, which I have called (a) and (b). These two positions can come out at several levels; and I hope I have summarised them fairly.

First there is the choice at the point of sale: in each purchase of tights a buyer must basically choose an item that is marketed wholly or partly for men, or an item that is marketed wholly for women. So it is possible to summarise the two positions like this:

a. I am buying hosiery that is marketed for men.


b. I am buying the hosiery that I find most comfortable or suitable for my needs, irrespective of the marketing angle.

Secondly, beneath that choice there may well be an ideological position, such as:

a. By buying only hosiery that is marketed for men, we support those companies that recognise the existence of the male hosiery market, and we withdraw support from those companies that do not.


b. By design and definition, tights are already a basically unisex item. It does not matter whether there is a picture of a man or a woman on the packet that we buy.

Thirdly there may also be a strategic viewpoint, for example:
 
a. It is mainly by the visibility of men's products on the shelves that men's hosiery will be accepted along with women's hosiery as a mainstream item of clothing.


b. It is mainly by men wearing hosiery openly and confidently that hosiery for men will be accepted as a mainstream fashion choice. 

Notice that at this level, if we omit the word 'mainly' we would probably find broad agreement on both of the reasons. 

This is a fairly basic summary and it leaves out some of the variations. For example I have not mentioned unisex legwear, such as Levee's WoMan range. You can make the necessary mental adjustments if you wish. I have also so far ignored that possibility that someone might reject 'male' hosiery for no other reason than that is 'male' hosiery.

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1. a reader left...
Wednesday, 27 April 2005 2:27 pm

Tights for men!
Get a life you freak! Let me guess - you're happily married or have a girlfriend? No! What a surprise saddo.

Sharnie


2. Geraden left...
Wednesday, 27 April 2005 3:43 pm

Hi Sharnie

Thank you for your comment. It was a pity that you did not bother to read more of my blog, or you would know that I am indeed happily married, as indeed are many men who wear tights for whatever reason.
I guess from your name that you are female. I do hope that you never indulge in the sad, freakish behaviour of wearing trousers, or I might have to advise you to get a life of your own.
You don't think there is any comparison? Let me tell you there is: where men are with wearing tights today is where women were with wearing trousers 40 to 50 years ago.
(a) It attracted adverse comment from both sexes, and
(b) the garment in question was just starting to be manufactured specifically for the 'opposite' sex.
Fashion does not stand still, you know. If you thank your sisters of a previous generation that they pioneered the wearing of trousers for you, maybe you should also think differently of those who in this generation pioneer alternative fahions for men.

G


3. Granville West left...
Friday, 12 May 2006 1:36 am

Over a year after it was written, I have found this ten-part article, which follows much of my own thinking about wearing men's legwear.

I am an American, 56 years old. My name comes from living 15 miles west of Steve Katz, whose Comfilon products I have worn for two years. They have given me great relief from restless legs, provide extra warmth and comfort in the winter, and I enjoy the feel of the wind against the sheer hose in warm weather.

However, while my wife accepts my wearing hose for the health benefits, she strongly disapproves of my wearing them under anything except long trousers; and I value my marriage more than an article of clothing.

All that said, I would also like to see legwear mainstreamed into men's fashion, but I agree with Geraden's reasoning why mainstreaming is unlikely in the forseeable future. One factor was overlooked, and that is one of style and fashion sense. Let me explain. Women wear traditionally masculine articles of clothing, such as pants and golf shirts; and they may even look fairly similar to those of men, but they are still different. Women's versions are softer, less structured, of a different cut (of course) and usually in different colors from what men wear.

Look in any mail order catalog and compare women's and men's golf shirts. At first, they look similar, but on observation, we see that their buttons run the other way, they are cut differently -- and while there are a few "unisex" colors (some yellows and greens perhaps), the navy blue and dark red ones are reserved for men, the pinks and powder blue for women. The fabric might also be a bit thinner in the women's versions.

Applying this thought to legwear, this suggests that if there is to be a mainstream style of men wearing hosiery, it will need to be hosiery that is less sheer or heavier or coarser, in distinctively masculine patterns, and in masculine colors like brown, olive, or forest green. With this in mind, it would appear that opaque tights are more likely to be accepted than sheer hosiery.

It will also have to be popularized as a part of a "look" from a designer of men's clothing who might be "edgy" but not off the wall (much closer to Tommy Hilfiger than Jean-Paul Gaulthier), a look that is definitely masculine but where the properties of the hose enhance the appearance of the wearer without making him look like a cross-dresser.

With sheer hosiery, we also have that persistent question of what to do with leg hair. Older men like myself do not want to shave/apply depilatory (and have wives who would go ballistic if we suggested it). For sheer, this suggests dark colors where failure to shave would be less of an issue.

I do not know how to think like a fashion designer, but in the right hands, I am sure this is possible; and in my view, it is the only hope we have of legwear going mainstream.


4. Geraden left...
Friday, 12 May 2006 7:12 am

Comment transferred to Mainstreaming Men's Hosiery - VIII by Geraden


5. Granville West left...
Saturday, 13 May 2006 12:44 am

My comment is the first that I have made anywhere on this subject (I do not contribute to LAUF, but I do read it occasionally). I have no objection to your promoting my comment, if you so desire. I also did not intend to suggest that Comfilon would look masculine on a woman. My only concern here is what hosiery would look masculine on a man.

As to Parts VIII to X, I was being prophetic?? ;-)


6. justawearer left...
Monday, 22 May 2006 6:40 pm

i have just seen the comment on page 1. some confused man found it ok to say that men that wear hose are all sado's. surely he would have to bee looking for this kind of site to voice his opinion? so perhaps in the back of his mind he to wants to wear hose? my point is he was looking for this site, perhaps he is curious.


7. Geraden left...
Monday, 22 May 2006 7:03 pm

Hi Justa

Welcome to my blog! You think Sharnie is a man? Maybe - but I do agree that a man who leaves comments like that must have some reason for visiting a site like this!

The comment by Sharnie is an old one and dates back from a time when I was having a run-in with a site called femalefirst.com. (For some reason the site owners took a dislike to me.) That is one reason, other than the girly-sounding name, why I thought Sharnie was female.

Geraden


8. Philippe left...
Friday, 14 July 2006 7:15 am

Great blog . Geraden . Long overdue congratulations. Excellent list of blogs and in particular :The fashion legwear blog , though unfortunately , not reference to wearing men .

Philippe


9. Geraden left...
Friday, 14 July 2006 7:36 am

Hi Phillippe

Haven't I seen you on tights-excite, LAUF, etc? Anyway, welcome, and thanks.

The Fashion Legwear blog is good, though I have to agree with you that the author chooses to ignore the male wearers. I did make a comment on the blog about men who wear tights and pantyhose, but the ownwer deleted it. She sent me a nice e-mail outlining her reasons, which I respect, even though I don't agree with. See http://geraden.blog-city.com/laurens_blog.htm.

Geraden


10. Keith left...
Thursday, 14 December 2006 7:32 pm

Hello, Geraden like yourself I wear tights for many good reasons and have done so on and off for years (more so recently). It was good to find this blog, which I now view about once a day. As most others, I am happily married, mid 40's, with 2 late teenage children. I would like to see them mainstreamed and as part of everday male clothing. I am interested to see how Gerbe launch and market their 70 denier footed and footless tights early in the New Year. To this end, I've e mailed Elanore of Gerbe recently. Below is a copy of my e mail, her reply, and my response:

Lets hope they get it right and other manufacturers, dept. stores such as M&S etc. see a potential market and follow suit. I believe that's what it'll take. David Bechham once wore a sarong - sales to men went through the roof. In fact I've recently seen men wearing them in Spain earlier this year. Times are changing as during the same holiday, around the pool, their were several men who clearly removed most/all of their body hair (not just legs but also under arms) Just look in Tescos/Boots - Veet/Phillips now cater for the male market. In France recently a pole concluded that sales of male facial products had exceeded womens. I guess Gerbe are clearly monitoring the new trends. The only fear I have is that they produce tights for the top end of the marcket and might not be visible enough in the highstreet. Does anyone know which shops stock Gerbe - Dept. stores such as John Lewis don't seem to?

Here's the e mails:

  • Dear sir/madam,

Please can you tell me when you plan to release men's tights into the shops and also if they will be available in UK shops.

If they are to be released in the UK, which retailer will I be able to buy them from?

I would also like to know if they are to be shear or opaque, and if they are foot-less or not.

It sounds very positive that Gerbe plan to cater for the male market.

Lastly, which French retailer will be stocking them?

I believe that if the male market is to be successful, then this will be down to visible advertising with posters in retail stores, showing suggested ways of wearing them with tailored shorts etc., etc.

Hi,

I thank you very much your interest to our men tights and confirm that Gerbe will introduce first two opaque mat tights in 70 Deniers, feet and feetless version. In addition, we will extend our range with some sheer models in Polyamide and shiny Lycra 20 Deniers. For the moment, they are in the way of elaboration and I invite you to register from now on our website. You will be informed by newsletter as soon as this new range will be available, and I will be able also to let you know which UK store will be stocking it.

Thank you for your patience and understanding,

Have a nice day

Elanore elanore@gerbe.com

My response:

Elanore,

Thank you for your response. I am sure that Gerbe have done their market research and have a strategy for successfully introducing tights to the male market.
However, my advice is to try and get a male celebrity to advertise them in the early days. For example, David Beckham once wore a sarong and on doing so sales to male customers happened in significant numbers.
I believe that Gerbe have an opportunity to lead the way in a so far untapped market area. The issue is being able to sell the benefits of wearing them to men who generally are very reserved in what they wear as part.
I think if Gerbe get it right, they will follow the recent trend that has happened in skin care products for men.
I look forward to seeing them in the men's section of UK/European shops.
Keith


11. Geraden left...
Thursday, 14 December 2006 8:13 pm

Hi Keith

Thank you for sharing your story and your correspondence with Gerbe. Always good to have a comment from someone new!

Gerbe are an upmarket company and their products are very good. I do not know of a regular British stockist. House of Fraser in Birmingham had some that they bought in for the Sales once – that is where I got mine. The normal price is in the region of £12.00 a pair.

This is the trouble with the top manufacturers making tights for men. In one sense they have got it right – men are probably more discerning in their hosiery tastes than most women, and are probably prepared to spend more on a pair of tights than women are. However do not forget that Wolford tried it, with their men's 'waist socks' but they priced themselves out of the market.

Regards

Geraden


12. Keith left...
Friday, 15 December 2006 7:54 am

Thanks for that Geraden,

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Gerbe's attempt to market to men. Elanore clearly states that she'll let me know which UK stores will be stocking them as opposed to Internet sites (although I appreciate that this might be what she means depending on how good her English is).

Also, clearly, having read about the declining sales and pole under your "Pantyhose Sales Hit a Major Snag" article and result of the wearer's pole so far, it is probably just a matter of time before it happens (sooner rather than later I think).

Keith


13. Keith left...
Saturday, 3 February 2007 12:57 am

I don't know if anyone else has noticed yet but Gerbe have now taken one step closer to launching their men's range by including a section on their website. Looks good, lets keep hoping.......

Keith


14. Carly left...
Tuesday, 1 May 2007 3:19 pm

wearing mens tights?? that almost doesn't sound right.. I think I'd try them, but as with most clothing, and for that matter, the over all feeling that wearing pantyhose or tights gives me is a rush of wearing what WOMEN wear, not men.. the same goes for shoes, if they ever make highheels for men I don't know if I'd wear them... that may seem odd to say but there really is something to be said for going into the womens section and looking and.. well the over all experience would be altered..